How does Toronto, Calgary and New York manage their public transit across different municipalities?
I feel in Ontario we do not do a very good job collaborating (or even considering) neighbouring municipalities. This worries me in discussions about pubic transit. Here in Ottawa municipal public transit seems to ignore neigbouring comminities entirely, regardless of who is elected as mayor. The Otrain line ends on a rail line that crossed a bridge to another province. No consideration has been made for public transit connects to Quebec in the north, towns to east (Rockland, Navan, Borget), west (Smiths Falls, Perth), or south (Winchester, Kemptville, Finch, Morrisburg).
Was discussing de-amalgamation with a friend who brought up a good point relating to #3: if you do not put in place reforms as suggestion in #1 and #2 first,#3 is not likey to improve much.
Outside most Canadian city cores you will find not just suburbs but also towns and agricultural areas. De-amalgamation only shifts "urban v.s. suburban" tensions in a big city to "suburban v.s. agricultural" or "town folk v.s. rural folk".
Jan Harder made two side comments that struck me. The most interesting was as she was leaving council that they had been overambitious in the amalgamation that made Ottawa so large and the other was in Planning and Zoning Committee when a large tower downtown was approved. She said something to the effect of " We may finally be like Chicago downtown"
Ottawa is as large as Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto , Montreal and I think Vancouver combined. And the vision is for a large metropolis with large high rises and two major sports centers downtown. And we are already $3 BN short on infrastructure maintenance.
How would you recommend that conversation get started? Does the city have the capacity to even discuss this option during a major rezoning exercise?
this issue was sooo much in need of a brief but proper 'expose'; it actually creates a sense of hope in an otherwise quite politically regressive City of Ottawa; thanks to Neil for putting this on the table of public discourse; and I love the way he's reversed the use of "common sense" from Mike Harris days ... who caused this "forced amalgamation" under that facile banner of ' the common sense revolution'.
Iam retired, but from having a recorded history of being part of actual change starting in HS. By applying innovation & community collaboration to undo the mess created by two things $$ attached to 20th century horse & buggy silo vision. Believing $$ was the key to every unsustainable problem. Only all they ever created was short term benefits & long tern on going uncontrolled inflation. Then came a long an economic down turn. Or if you study history. Or a major war, or something equal to COViD or mother nature in its renewal phase. That no matter now much $$ you had it was never enough. Until you come to understand the universe was applying the”Tide of change” in this case 9 billion people on a small planet. Wasting 80% of its resources due to $$ & a privilged few driving the system. Based on their old ways of thinking, seeing change as not in their best interest or that of their support system. More than welling to destroy the future of their community all in the name of what in the best of the community. Only long term find out if was driven my $$ & the self interest of privileged few manipulating change to limit it & pass the unsustainable vision down the road. Usually require the young to no longer follow. As they were educated enough to understand the world was changing without looking to the $$ from the Ivory tower. Unfortunately, the Ivory tower only see blue skies, green & yellow field of prosperity, but no clue why . No matter how much $$ they toss down. The Ivory tower seem to be still leaning. That no matter how much $$ they toss, nothing changing. Other than they need more $$. Fixing that has nothing to do with how much $$ you have but how much is being wasted to maintain an unsustainable system. That now needs restructuring. That a talent that has require a 21st century sustainable vision, that always require a lot of innovation at the bottom & even more community collaboration. No longer dependent on old 20th century horse& buggy vision support. But those that are young attached to visionary creating things that have more to solving problem. By taking one problem to go create a solution . $$ we’ll see as threat, so we’ll require 21st sustainable vision to no longer require more$$ but longer term sustainable vision.through short term problem solving but longer term sustainable vision that has little todo with inflation but controlled deflation. That does require 21st century tools,
How does Toronto, Calgary and New York manage their public transit across different municipalities?
I feel in Ontario we do not do a very good job collaborating (or even considering) neighbouring municipalities. This worries me in discussions about pubic transit. Here in Ottawa municipal public transit seems to ignore neigbouring comminities entirely, regardless of who is elected as mayor. The Otrain line ends on a rail line that crossed a bridge to another province. No consideration has been made for public transit connects to Quebec in the north, towns to east (Rockland, Navan, Borget), west (Smiths Falls, Perth), or south (Winchester, Kemptville, Finch, Morrisburg).
Was discussing de-amalgamation with a friend who brought up a good point relating to #3: if you do not put in place reforms as suggestion in #1 and #2 first,#3 is not likey to improve much.
Outside most Canadian city cores you will find not just suburbs but also towns and agricultural areas. De-amalgamation only shifts "urban v.s. suburban" tensions in a big city to "suburban v.s. agricultural" or "town folk v.s. rural folk".
Jan Harder made two side comments that struck me. The most interesting was as she was leaving council that they had been overambitious in the amalgamation that made Ottawa so large and the other was in Planning and Zoning Committee when a large tower downtown was approved. She said something to the effect of " We may finally be like Chicago downtown"
Ottawa is as large as Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto , Montreal and I think Vancouver combined. And the vision is for a large metropolis with large high rises and two major sports centers downtown. And we are already $3 BN short on infrastructure maintenance.
How would you recommend that conversation get started? Does the city have the capacity to even discuss this option during a major rezoning exercise?
this issue was sooo much in need of a brief but proper 'expose'; it actually creates a sense of hope in an otherwise quite politically regressive City of Ottawa; thanks to Neil for putting this on the table of public discourse; and I love the way he's reversed the use of "common sense" from Mike Harris days ... who caused this "forced amalgamation" under that facile banner of ' the common sense revolution'.
Iam retired, but from having a recorded history of being part of actual change starting in HS. By applying innovation & community collaboration to undo the mess created by two things $$ attached to 20th century horse & buggy silo vision. Believing $$ was the key to every unsustainable problem. Only all they ever created was short term benefits & long tern on going uncontrolled inflation. Then came a long an economic down turn. Or if you study history. Or a major war, or something equal to COViD or mother nature in its renewal phase. That no matter now much $$ you had it was never enough. Until you come to understand the universe was applying the”Tide of change” in this case 9 billion people on a small planet. Wasting 80% of its resources due to $$ & a privilged few driving the system. Based on their old ways of thinking, seeing change as not in their best interest or that of their support system. More than welling to destroy the future of their community all in the name of what in the best of the community. Only long term find out if was driven my $$ & the self interest of privileged few manipulating change to limit it & pass the unsustainable vision down the road. Usually require the young to no longer follow. As they were educated enough to understand the world was changing without looking to the $$ from the Ivory tower. Unfortunately, the Ivory tower only see blue skies, green & yellow field of prosperity, but no clue why . No matter how much $$ they toss down. The Ivory tower seem to be still leaning. That no matter how much $$ they toss, nothing changing. Other than they need more $$. Fixing that has nothing to do with how much $$ you have but how much is being wasted to maintain an unsustainable system. That now needs restructuring. That a talent that has require a 21st century sustainable vision, that always require a lot of innovation at the bottom & even more community collaboration. No longer dependent on old 20th century horse& buggy vision support. But those that are young attached to visionary creating things that have more to solving problem. By taking one problem to go create a solution . $$ we’ll see as threat, so we’ll require 21st sustainable vision to no longer require more$$ but longer term sustainable vision.through short term problem solving but longer term sustainable vision that has little todo with inflation but controlled deflation. That does require 21st century tools,